The Last Poster Wins! [v21]

[Morzone]

Actually Type: Null is based on a chimera, firstly. Secondly, I don't see your point on how it's an angsty teen given they're synthetically made pokemon that were experimented and abused by the Aether Foundation before being forced in cryostasis until later Gladion freed two of them (his partner and the one that he gives the player later on). Are you just saying that because it has the mask and evolves by friendship because if so that's jumping to conclusions a bit quickly my friend.

Morzonbe's list for edgy characters:

1: You weren't born normally. You were artificially made, so no one understands or relates to you properly

2: You give off an aura of either being rejected by the whole world or are reserved from others in a "no one understand me, you don't know my life or what I've gone through" sort of way.

3: Your life is a sob-story. There is no substance or other redeeming qualities to you. Your purpose is to make people feel sorry for you and your tragic life while despising the people who hurt such an innocent pokemon.

4: Your design relates directly to your very sad creation/life story or is based specifically to contain a special OP ability only you have, because without it you would be even more rejected and lonely than you already are.

5: You either have no friends or have a single friend who is edgy in their own way (though not necessarily as bad as you) No one else understands you, and more importantly you don't trust them to understand you.

6:You present yourself as something above others (in this case legendary-like) by being based off of an actual legendary. The only thing you get is an OP power similar to the legendary, only that power is a reason for your alienation more than it helps you, because it makes you more special and unique and impossible to understand.

7: You're OP, or give off a vibe of being OP.

8: You evolve from friendship. This one works less directly and more a a reference to the fact that friendship, love, and connections is what can save you from depression often caused through adolescence. (As in, you're depressed and edgy right now you need friendship to get out of it)

9: Your theme is based off of an idea championed by edgy teenagers who want to be special, OP, and "unique" in a "no one understands me" sort of way without doing any work: You are a typeless pokemon. You have no weaknesses and are extremely strong because of it. You have no limitations on usable moves so you have a type advantage over everybody. While in reality you may be an actual type, your design suggests to the fan-fiction loving fanbase that you don't.

10: Just to add a few more qualities that set you apart from all those normal people, you're rare and can't breed, so you don't feel love like most do.

[Noblejanobii]

Morzonbe's list for edgy characters:

1: You weren't born normally. You were artificially made, so no one understands or relates to you properly

By this standard you're calling Porygon edgy. Which, beyond actually having edges, it is not.

2: You give off an aura of either being rejected by the whole world or are reserved from others in a "no one understand me, you don't know my life or what I've gone through" sort of way.

Um… subjective much? Type: Null doesn't do this hardly at all. You only ever interact with Type: Null through battle. Gladion certainly does this but don't fault the Pokémon for the qualities of the Trainer.

3: Your life is a sob-story. There is no substance or other redeeming qualities to you. Your purpose is to make people feel sorry for you and your tragic life while despising the people who hurt such an innocent pokemon.

While Type: Null's backstory is tragic, it's redeeming quality is that it's appearance is really cool and it's a kick *** in battle. You can't even make an argument against Gladion on this either since he acts as a hero in rebelling against his mother to save his sister. In addition, this kind of makes Mimikyu edgy.

4: Your design relates directly to your very sad creation/life story or is based specifically to contain a special OP ability only you have, because without it you would be even more rejected and lonely than you already are.

Technically Type: Null has no OP abilities, Silvally does but not Type: Null. Other than having some pretty good stats and moves there's not much unique about it beyond its appearance. I will give you this though since this is partially true but this also increases the edginess of other pokemon too.

5: You either have no friends or have a single friend who is edgy in their own way (though not necessarily as bad as you) No one else understands you, and more importantly you don't trust them to understand you.

I'll give you this one based on what limited interactions we as the player have had with Type: Null and Gladion. The edginess meter is slowly filling for Mimikyu.

6:You present yourself as something above others (in this case legendary-like) by being based off of an actual legendary. The only thing you get is an OP power similar to the legendary, only that power is a reason for your alienation more than it helps you, because it makes you more special and unique and impossible to understand.

Type: Null doesn't "present itself" as you say. If this were a PMD game I'd give it to you but like I said we only ever see this Pokémon in battle so it can't really present itself. Secondly, Type: Null can't exactly help the whole alienation thing if it was created in a lab on an island and never allowed to interact with the outside world. So I feel like that can't be really held against it. And you know who else is edgy by this standard? Munna and the Gigalith from GtI!

7: You're OP, or give off a vibe of being OP.

Granted, Type: Null does have the highest BST of Pokémon able to evolve, given it doesn't have access to Silvally's abilities, it isn't actually that OP. And Silvally doesn't have a much highest BST so they're not that OP. Slaking has a higher BST than Silvally.

8: You evolve from friendship. This one works less directly and more a a reference to the fact that friendship, love, and connections is what can save you from depression often caused through adolescence. (As in, you're depressed and edgy right now you need friendship to get out of it)

So Pichu, Togepi, Igglybuff, Riolu, Eevee, Cleffa, Chansey, and all other friendship evolutions as also edgy?

9: Your theme is based off of an idea championed by edgy teenagers who want to be special, OP, and "unique" in a "no one understands me" sort of way without doing any work: You are a typeless pokemon. You have no weaknesses and are extremely strong because of it. You have no limitations on usable moves so you have a type advantage over everybody. While in reality you may be an actual type, your design suggests to the fan-fiction loving fanbase that you don't.

No, Type: Null is based on a Chimera, as I already said. Also it does have a weakness, literally it's a normal type so it's weak to fighting. And Silvally is weak to whatever weaknesses the type it takes on has.

10: Just to add a few more qualities that set you apart from all those normal people, you're rare and can't breed, so you don't feel love like most do.

so nidoqueen, all baby pokémon, and legendaries are edgy too? Man I never realized how edgy pichu is.

[Morzone]

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By this standard you're calling Porygon edgy. Which, beyond actually having edges, it is not.

Porygon's artificial creation isn't the start of a rejected sob-story. Having one edgy factor alone doesn't make a pokemon edgy, but compiling various edgy factors, both major and minor, multiplies the effect.

Um… subjective much? Type: Null doesn't do this hardly at all. You only ever interact with Type: Null through battle. Gladion certainly does this but don't fault the Pokémon for the qualities of the Trainer.

The games make clear use of the "A pet is like its owner" trope with Type:Null and Gladion. They are portrayed to be very similar throughout the game, even if most of it is through gladion's description of his pokemon. Why else would someone like gladion bond so closely with it? Because their shared experiences give them a similar outlook on life.

While Type: Null's backstory is tragic, it's redeeming quality is that it's appearance is really cool and it's a kick *** in battle. You can't even make an argument against Gladion on this either since he acts as a hero in rebelling against his mother to save his sister. In addition, this kind of makes Mimikyu edgy.

I'll... just agree to disagree with you on the appearance. You may see a chimera, but I see a failed attempt to make an artificial arceus using frankenstein methods. And from my other points being "Kick ***" in battle isn't a redeeming trait, it's just another reason for you to hate Aether foundation for rejecting it. (which is Type:null's main purpose in the game) And if this doesn't apply to Gladion, why does his outlook on life look like This? He may be heroic when it counts, but that doesn't stop him from being an edgy teenager the rest of the time.

Technically Type: Null has no OP abilities, Silvally does but not Type: Null. Other than having some pretty good stats and moves there's not much unique about it beyond its appearance. I will give you this though since this is partially true but this also increases the edginess of other pokemon too.

Err, to be honest I sort of lumped Type:null and Silvally together, as Type:null's original design was to have silvally's powers without evolving. The lore on Type:null claims the helmet's purpose is to hold back the rampant power inside of Type:null, which would explode out of control without it. (a common trope for edgy characters)

I'll give you this one based on what limited interactions we as the player have had with Type: Null and Gladion. The edginess meter is slowly filling for Mimikyu.

I can't really comment on Mimikyu since I don't know its story or lore.

Type: Null doesn't "present itself" as you say. If this were a PMD game I'd give it to you but like I said we only ever see this Pokémon in battle so it can't really present itself. Secondly, Type: Null can't exactly help the whole alienation thing if it was created in a lab on an island and never allowed to interact with the outside world. So I feel like that can't be really held against it. And you know who else is edgy by this standard? Munna and the Gigalith from GtI!

I worded this one somewhat badly. You are right that Type:null's limited interaction keeps it from presenting itself like this, but I was referring more to how Type:Null was hyped up before the games' release as the "mewtwo" for arceus. (as in an attempted clone/recreation) A failed copy of a greater power is a common trope among edgy designs and characters.

Granted, Type: Null does have the highest BST of Pokémon able to evolve, given it doesn't have access to Silvally's abilities, it isn't actually that OP. And Silvally doesn't have a much highest BST so they're not that OP. Slaking has a higher BST than Silvally.

To quote you from earlier: One of his redeeming qualities is that Type:null is "Kick ***" in battle. But to be fair this is one of those things that's only cringy if their strength is based off of cringy lore. (like being a failed copy of arceus) Being really strong alone doesn't make people cringy.

So Pichu, Togepi, Igglybuff, Riolu, Eevee, Cleffa, Chansey, and all other friendship evolutions as also edgy?

This one is kind of a tangent, I will admit. I just interpreted it as "You're being saved by the amazing power of friendship!" *cue really cheesy speech* None of the other pokemon were being "saved" by friendship, but as this is kind of a tangent an arguement can be made that neither is Type:null

No, Type: Null is based on a Chimera, as I already said. Also it does have a weakness, literally it's a normal type so it's weak to fighting. And Silvally is weak to whatever weaknesses the type it takes on has.

Yes, I know Type:null does actually have a type. But does the fan-fiction writing fanbase care? No. The concept of a typless pokemon, especially a typless pokemon hyped up to be legendary-like, is by far one of the most cringiest and edgiest concepts relating to pokemon. What do you think the name "Type: Null" suggests? Even before Type:null was introduced, people jumped on the notion of arceus' hacked "enigma form" and the "enigma plate" that had no actual type. By adding a pokemon who's body shape gives no clear indication of type combined with a name that literally says the pokemon doesn't have a type, it's only opened up a window for people to do what they want with Type:null as a typeless pokemon, rather than what it actually is.

so nidoqueen, all baby pokémon, and legendaries are edgy too? Man I never realized how edgy pichu is.

Like the artificial birth, this is more of an add-on than a major edgy factor. Having this alone doesn't make anyone edgy.

You know what? Screw it. It doesn't matter. You like Type:null and I don't. The universe isn't going to end because of it. Arguing over it is only going to make me angry and edgy myself over something completely pointless. Read it if you want, but I don't care anymore. also if you can't tell I'm tired and grumpy. Sorry about that.

[Noblejanobii]

Porygon's artificial creation isn't the start of a rejected sob-story. Having one edgy factor alone doesn't make a pokemon edgy, but compiling various edgy factors, both major and minor, multiplies the effect.

It is the start of a rejected sob story though. Both through its banned episode and its devolution into Porygon-Z. You really want to make this argument then I will go into more detail, but I candidly think you're just being petty so I'm going to be petty right back.

The games make clear use of the "A pet is like its owner" trope with Type:Null and Gladion. They are portrayed to be very similar throughout the game, even if most of it is through gladion's description of his pokemon. Why else would someone like gladion bond so closely with it? Because their shared experiences give them a similar outlook on life.

Here, let me put it this way, maybe you'll understand it. Are you and all your friends exactly the same? Did all of you bond over the same similar experience? Because if so you need to branch out from your limited view. People can bond over a variety of things, and their personalities don't even have to be remotely similar. My best friend in high school was like the total opposite of me in almost every way, but we were able to become friends and enjoy each other because of our mutual love for anime. My best friend was about as serious, emotionless, and in some cases violent as it got. Me? Not a chance. I may get angry from time to time and explode but I rarely if ever resort to violence. Friendship does not mean everyone is carbon copies of one another. Plus, if the pokémon anime has taught us anything, it's that you shouldn't place the faults of the trainer onto the pokémon.

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I'll... just agree to disagree with you on the appearance. You may see a chimera, but I see a failed attempt to make an artificial arceus using frankenstein methods. And from my other points being "Kick ***" in battle isn't a redeeming trait, it's just another reason for you to hate Aether foundation for rejecting it. (which is Type:null's main purpose in the game) And if this doesn't apply to Gladion, why does his outlook on life look like This? He may be heroic when it counts, but that doesn't stop him from being an edgy teenager the rest of the time.

It's both, so recognize it. And being a really good battler is a redeeming trait. I already proved overall the line isn't OP but that doesn't mean it's not awful in battle. And what's so wrong with it being a plot device? Cosmog is an ultra beast used to make you hate the Aether Foundation for rejecting it yet I don't see you taking any issue with it. And Type: Null's main purpose in the game is to act as another rival for you. Arrow and I already said you never see this guy outside of battle so you can't label it with traits it doesn't have. And I never said Gladion wasn't edgy. The dude wears red and black and wreaks of teenage angst, but that doesn't mean Type: Null is too.

Err, to be honest I sort of lumped Type:null and Silvally together, as Type:null's original design was to have silvally's powers without evolving. The lore on Type:null claims the helmet's purpose is to hold back the rampant power inside of Type:null, which would explode out of control without it. (a common trope for edgy characters)

Actually the reason they have the helmets is to limit the side effects of the rejection of the RKS system, not because of its unlimited power. "After being subdued, the three Type: Full were given limiter helmets to lessen the effects of the RKS System's rejection," a direct quote from Type: Null's bulbapedia page.

I can't really comment on Mimikyu since I don't know its story or lore.

It's a pokemon that felt so lonely and unnoticed that it dressed itself up like pikachu to gain attention. It also purposely distances itself from people because it doesn't want them to see its true form since "A scholar who saw what was under its rag was overwhelmed by terror and died from the shock." So we've got a pokemon that isolates itself, has an OP ability (disguise), has a sob story for a backstory, has an appearance related to said sob story backstory, arguably wasn't born normally since Mimikyu was "born" from the desire to disguise itself as pikachu, gives off an aura of being rejected from the whole world since it is often depicted crying and hides itself away, it supposedly has no friends, and while it's not based on a legendary, it's based on Pikachu which definitely counts.

I worded this one somewhat badly. You are right that Type:null's limited interaction keeps it from presenting itself like this, but I was referring more to how Type:Null was hyped up before the games' release as the "mewtwo" for arceus. (as in an attempted clone/recreation) A failed copy of a greater power is a common trope among edgy designs and characters.

Hm... yeah I can kind of see what you're saying there. I still don't really see how that makes it edgy since perception of something is subjective but all right.

To quote you from earlier: One of his redeeming qualities is that Type:null is "Kick ***" in battle. But to be fair this is one of those things that's only cringy if their strength is based off of cringy lore. (like being a failed copy of arceus) Being really strong alone doesn't make people cringy.

Okay, firstly, kick *** in battle does not equate to being OP. By saying that it's either OP or sucks in battle, you are pulling a black and white fallacy right there, which in formal debate would void your entire point so don't try and pull that on me. Secondly, the lore isn't cringy. It's actually really creative and gives more of an Umbrella Corp feel to the Aether Foundation. Sure we know they did some stuff to Cosmog but we never really figure out what, but with Type: Null, we know they created life then experimented and possibly tortured it. That hardly sounds cringy to me.

This one is kind of a tangent, I will admit. I just interpreted it as "You're being saved by the amazing power of friendship!" *cue really cheesy speech* None of the other pokemon were being "saved" by friendship, but as this is kind of a tangent an arguement can be made that neither is Type:null

Yeah I mean, I kinda see your point but again, since we never see either Silvally or Type: Null outside battle we can't really say that it's saved by friendship. Signs point to it, and I wouldn't be surprised, but none of us can really say for sure.

Yes, I know Type:null does actually have a type. But does the fan-fiction writing fanbase care? No. The concept of a typless pokemon, especially a typless pokemon hyped up to be legendary-like, is by far one of the most cringiest and edgiest concepts relating to pokemon. What do you think the name "Type: Null" suggests? Even before Type:null was introduced, people jumped on the notion of arceus' hacked "enigma form" and the "enigma plate" that had no actual type. By adding a pokemon who's body shape gives no clear indication of type combined with a name that literally says the pokemon doesn't have a type, it's only opened up a window for people to do what they want with Type:null as a typeless pokemon, rather than what it actually is.

Well yeah but that's because it's fanfiction. Surely if you've been reading it you've seen the "don't like don't read" thing. If this is your true reason for hating Type: Null, that some fanfiction writers made it a typeless pokemon instead of its true typing, then just don't read that fanfiction! It's not that difficult of thing to do and this seems like a really stupid reason to label a pokemon edgy and something you hate. Like I pointed out above, you can't blame the pokemon for the actions of the master. Don't hate a pokemon because of how the fanbase interacts with it. If it really bothers you that much then write a story where Type: Null isn't typeless. You know what they say, if you can't find the story you want on the shelf then write your own.

Like the artificial birth, this is more of an add-on than a major edgy factor. Having this alone doesn't make anyone edgy.

And it's stupid because it's too wide and applies to too many things. If you really want to make this argument then I'll prove to you that pichu is the edgiest pokemon of them all based on your standards. I mean this literally makes Poison Ivy from Batman edgy, which she may be, but dude come on, you can have better reasoning than this to dislike a pokemon.

I wouldn't have such an issue if your reasoning wasn't "it's edgy". I've heard that too many times in my life to take that as an acceptable reason to dislike something, especially since most of the time the people who claimed that just wanted to be cool by hating on edgy things like the rest of the mainstream people did at the time and they really had no other reason to dislike or hate whatever they were hating on. So it may be an acceptable reason to you, but it's not for me, and trust me if you really want me to I'll increase the amount of pokemon you dislike real quick if you want me to. I will find pokemon that qualify as edgy by your standards just to prove how stupid this kind of thing is. Even the reasoning of "I don't know I just don't like it" is more acceptable than this in my book.