The Last Poster Wins! [v21]

[Neo Emolga]

So. I got accused of being racist today at work because I asked to check someone's bag and she happened to be Asian. The white middle aged guy with her got all huffy and accused me of only asking her because she's Asian. Mind you, my work has been cracking down on bag checks and we literally have to check ALL bags except handbags because a lot of people have been stealing recently. The colour of someone's skin or the way they look has never affected the way I've treated anyone before in my entire LIFE and I got so upset that he assumed I was doing it based on something like that! I was like "Um actually I've been checking everyone's bag" and he's like "Or did you just check hers because she's Asian?" Like wtf?? Why would her ethnicity make a difference to me checking her bag?? xD Like huh? I had been checking everyone I could because otherwise I legitimately get pulled up for it and even though I told him that, he just kept persisting and UUGGHHH the whole thing was extremely unpleasant and I nearly cried afterwards because I felt so judged and violated in a way. Like he was attacking my dignity and character even though he has no idea who I even am. xD Some people are just so awful! I don't get it! How can you treat someone like that? O_o I always try my hardest to be so polite to everyone I greet and then you get people like him, who probably just try to pick fights with anyone. I was so mad afterwards. xD He was like "I'm gonna come in next time and see if you're checking everyone's bag." WTF??!?! So creepy! Dx

You have douchebags, super douchebags, and then every now and then, you come along very special douchebags like this one that send their best regards to Satan in very aggravating ways. D:<

You were doing your job. You have nothing to be ashamed about and nothing to feel bad about. This sounds like one of those narcissistic, condescending, special douchebags that are the kinds of people that cut you off on the highway, cut in line, think they're cute when they lie, cheat, and steal, and act like it's all okay and they can treat anyone however they want. These people are not worth your time, breath, money, or aggravation. They are out doing the devil's work and they're trying to drag you down with them.

Xanthe, you are an AWESOME person regardless of what these kinds of special douchebags say to you. SHAME on that special douchebag for doing that to you, because I'd personally like to tie his underwear into a pretzel while he's still wearing it, dip it all in hot sauce, sprinkle some paprika on it for good measure, and then make good use of it for battling practice with a baseball bat that's actually made of cactus.

*must dig deeper down this dark path*

Want me to be your first test subject? >=3

XD yes, I think it'd be awesome! I'm sure it'd add something entertaining to see. We'll never know when or what to expect!

*Goes off to my secret squirrel lair to plot.*

[Noblejanobii]

So. I got accused of being racist today at work because I asked to check someone's bag and she happened to be Asian. The white middle aged guy with her got all huffy and accused me of only asking her because she's Asian. Mind you, my work has been cracking down on bag checks and we literally have to check ALL bags except handbags because a lot of people have been stealing recently. The colour of someone's skin or the way they look has never affected the way I've treated anyone before in my entire LIFE and I got so upset that he assumed I was doing it based on something like that! I was like "Um actually I've been checking everyone's bag" and he's like "Or did you just check hers because she's Asian?" Like wtf?? Why would her ethnicity make a difference to me checking her bag?? xD Like huh? I had been checking everyone I could because otherwise I legitimately get pulled up for it and even though I told him that, he just kept persisting and UUGGHHH the whole thing was extremely unpleasant and I nearly cried afterwards because I felt so judged and violated in a way. Like he was attacking my dignity and character even though he has no idea who I even am. xD Some people are just so awful! I don't get it! How can you treat someone like that? O_o I always try my hardest to be so polite to everyone I greet and then you get people like him, who probably just try to pick fights with anyone. I was so mad afterwards. xD He was like "I'm gonna come in next time and see if you're checking everyone's bag." WTF??!?! So creepy! Dx

Welcome to America.

Nah I'm not kidding I get accused of being racist all the time here based purely on my political beliefs and the fact that I'm a political science major. It's annoying yes, but more often than not when people accuse me of being racist I usually just make this expression.

[Neo Emolga]

"Racist" is one of those terms that people overuse to try and create power leverage when it's really not that at all. Sure, there is definitely racism still out there, but it's one of those go-to words that narrow-minded people fling around to make people feel guilty or yank them into a lawsuit. "Oh, you fired me because you're racist" even though that person was late every day, didn't do their job, didn't work well with others, reacted poorly with customers, and what have you, even though they just happen to be a minority.

It's one of those things where the justice courts create culture. If it becomes easy to sue someone by doing X, well, you'll have people doing X because it sounds like an easy way to poach money from someone else. Ooh, here's a multi-billion dollar company, and I want a piece of that pie. Ooh, I spilled hot coffee on my lap. Let me sue because I didn't know better and recognize "oh, hey, this drink is hot and maybe squeezing it between my knees in the car when I should be using a CUP HOLDER INSTEAD might be better (say what you want about Liebeck v. McDonalds, this was still a very stupid thing to do in the CAR while you're DRIVING). Same thing if a certain thing becomes legal or illegal. Look at how things like Prohibition affected culture just based on what's allowed and what's forbidden. Lately I've seen a lot of playgrounds being torn down and I'm pretty sure I know the reason why. They've become a liability. In the days before, a kid might get hurt, but life went on. Maybe they scuffed their knees or got a cut, but a band-aid and a week later, it was like it never happened. When I was about six years old, I remember running around a playground and I dashed right into a metal bar and yep, I cut my lip and bled everywhere. I didn't sue, though. It was my bad, I should have been more careful about where I was running and I learned from my mistakes. Now, parents would sue over that and the lawsuit would hit ridiculous numbers to the point where oh my goodness, a having playground is just an expensive liability. And that's the problem. There are things that are their own fault but they don't think of it that way. They think their kids are perfect and anything that goes wrong is always someone else's fault. It gets greedy people locked into a blame game and what you end up having is a nation of vampires who are just out to suck each other dry.

[Soups]

So. I got accused of being racist today at work because I asked to check someone's bag and she happened to be Asian. The white middle aged guy with her got all huffy and accused me of only asking her because she's Asian. Mind you, my work has been cracking down on bag checks and we literally have to check ALL bags except handbags because a lot of people have been stealing recently. The colour of someone's skin or the way they look has never affected the way I've treated anyone before in my entire LIFE and I got so upset that he assumed I was doing it based on something like that! I was like "Um actually I've been checking everyone's bag" and he's like "Or did you just check hers because she's Asian?" Like wtf?? Why would her ethnicity make a difference to me checking her bag?? xD Like huh? I had been checking everyone I could because otherwise I legitimately get pulled up for it and even though I told him that, he just kept persisting and UUGGHHH the whole thing was extremely unpleasant and I nearly cried afterwards because I felt so judged and violated in a way. Like he was attacking my dignity and character even though he has no idea who I even am. xD Some people are just so awful! I don't get it! How can you treat someone like that? O_o I always try my hardest to be so polite to everyone I greet and then you get people like him, who probably just try to pick fights with anyone. I was so mad afterwards. xD He was like "I'm gonna come in next time and see if you're checking everyone's bag." WTF??!?! So creepy! Dx

You know you aren't a racist. We know it too. You're a great individual. Ignore the nonsense.

[Noblejanobii]

Actually Liebeck v. McDonalds was a really important case. I had to study it in one of my criminal law classes in high school and at first all of us were like "oh yeah she's totally stupid" but then when you go look at the facts, it's actually not the cash grab everyone thinks it is. Firstly, Stella Liebeck wasn't the one driving the car, her grandson was. Secondly, they were in a parked car and she was holding the coffee in her lap when it spilled. Thirdly, Stella openly admitted the spill was her mistake, so she wasn't suing over her spilling the coffee. However, that didn't change the outcome. Stella had to go to the hospital for third degree burns on her legs and genitals, which means the coffee had to be at least 120 degrees, depending on how much exposure she had to the coffee, and most reports say the coffee was actually somewhere around 170 to 180 degrees! She ended up going in shock and had to undergo skin grafting operations, to which Stella's surgeon said it was one of the worst cases of third degree burns he had ever seen. Stella suffered permanent disfigurement and nearly died as a result of the accident. See, McDonalds used to preheat their coffees in the morning to almost 200 degrees every morning because they got a lot of complaints about their coffee not being hot enough. McDonalds even admitted that their coffee was a hazard at that temperature! In fact, in the decade prior to that case, over 700 people had notified McDonalds that they had suffered awful burns from spilling their coffee on themselves. And here's the real kicker, Stella didn't even want to go to court. She just wanted McDonalds to help pay her $20,000 in out of pocket medical expenses that her insurance wouldn't cover. But after 8 months of negotiating, do you know what McDonalds offered? $800. $800. Stella tried to settle with McDonalds and even agreed to mediation but the multi-billion dollar corporation wouldn't budge, giving her no choice but to go to court. So they did, and Stella actually won the case! The jury found McDonalds guilty and punished them, hoping to teach the company a lesson. And it worked, because McDonalds lowered the temperature of their coffee and they've stopped burning people. Stella even got a settlement of $6000 from McDonalds, a huge help to her medical bills. This was actually a landmark case in which a working class citizens beat out a bunch of corporate lawyers! So why have you never heard of it? Because those corporate lawyers are snakes that are really good at being snakes. They ran a huge disinformation campaign to spread all the lies that Stella was a greedy old lady that had only sued McDonalds because she wanted to become a millionaire. And the media ate it, starting this whole idea of "an epidemic of frivolous lawsuits". Even many of the protests that you see about stopping frivolous lawsuits are paid for by corporations. It's all a scam to keep people from suing big bucks corporations because they don't to be seen as people who are a part of a frivolous lawsuit. And it's worked. Personal injury lawsuits are at an all time low in recent years because of stuff like this because people don't think to check the facts behind what's being told to them. Heck, they even did an Adam Ruins Everything episode on this that I just went and rewatched to make sure most of my facts were correct!

So, Neo, you're wrong, Stella didn't sue McDonalds because she was driving recklessly and spilled hot coffee on herself. She and her grandson were in a parked car that her son had driven to McDonalds to get the coffee, Stella openly admitted that the spilling of the coffee was her fault, she didn't even want to go to court, but because McDonalds refused to help pay the medicals bills for her near death experience, she was forced to, and as a result, McDonalds and a bunch of other companies with high risk products dragged her name through the mud to ensure it didn't happen again.

[Neo Emolga]

Actually Liebeck v. McDonalds was a really important case. I had to study it in one of my criminal law classes in high school and at first all of us were like "oh yeah she's totally stupid" but then when you go look at the facts, it's actually not the cash grab everyone thinks it is. Firstly, Stella Liebeck wasn't the one driving the car, her grandson was. Secondly, they were in a parked car and she was holding the coffee in her lap when it spilled. Thirdly, Stella openly admitted the spill was her mistake, so she wasn't suing over her spilling the coffee. However, that didn't change the outcome. Stella had to go to the hospital for third degree burns on her legs and genitals, which means the coffee had to be at least 120 degrees, depending on how much exposure she had to the coffee, and most reports say the coffee was actually somewhere around 170 to 180 degrees! She ended up going in shock and had to undergo skin grafting operations, to which Stella's surgeon said it was one of the worst cases of third degree burns he had ever seen. Stella suffered permanent disfigurement and nearly died as a result of the accident. See, McDonalds used to preheat their coffees in the morning to almost 200 degrees every morning because they got a lot of complaints about their coffee not being hot enough. McDonalds even admitted that their coffee was a hazard at that temperature! In fact, in the decade prior to that case, over 700 people had notified McDonalds that they had suffered awful burns from spilling their coffee on themselves. And here's the real kicker, Stella didn't even want to go to court. She just wanted McDonalds to help pay her $20,000 in out of pocket medical expenses that her insurance wouldn't cover. But after 8 months of negotiating, do you know what McDonalds offered? $800. $800. Stella tried to settle with McDonalds and even agreed to mediation but the multi-billion dollar corporation wouldn't budge, giving her no choice but to go to court. So they did, and Stella actually won the case! The jury found McDonalds guilty and punished them, hoping to teach the company a lesson. And it worked, because McDonalds lowered the temperature of their coffee and they've stopped burning people. Stella even got a settlement of $6000 from McDonalds, a huge help to her medical bills. This was actually a landmark case in which a working class citizens beat out a bunch of corporate lawyers! So why have you never heard of it? Because those corporate lawyers are snakes that are really good at being snakes. They ran a huge disinformation campaign to spread all the lies that Stella was a greedy old lady that had only sued McDonalds because she wanted to become a millionaire. And the media ate it, starting this whole idea of "an epidemic of frivolous lawsuits". Even many of the protests that you see about stopping frivolous lawsuits are paid for by corporations. It's all a scam to keep people from suing big bucks corporations because they don't to be seen as people who are a part of a frivolous lawsuit. And it's worked. Personal injury lawsuits are at an all time low in recent years because of stuff like this because people don't think to check the facts behind what's being told to them. Heck, they even did an Adam Ruins Everything episode on this that I just went and rewatched to make sure most of my facts were correct!

So, Neo, you're wrong, Stella didn't sue McDonalds because she was driving recklessly and spilled hot coffee on herself. She and her grandson were in a parked car that her son had driven to McDonalds to get the coffee, Stella openly admitted that the spilling of the coffee was her fault, she didn't even want to go to court, but because McDonalds refused to help pay the medicals bills for her near death experience, she was forced to, and as a result, McDonalds and a bunch of other companies with high risk products dragged her name through the mud to ensure it didn't happen again.

Still, you don't put coffee on your lap! Or anywhere near your crotch for that matter, especially if it's a drink that's natively known to be hot. Use a cup holder. That's why they exist in cars. Come on, that's basic. McDonald's probably didn't want to pay the medical bills because then loads of people would be doing that nonsense. Oh, I spilled ice cream on my clothes and I want McDonald's to buy me new clothes now. They shouldn't have made their sundaes so gooey and sticky! Or my dog Spot ate all my Hershey's chocolate, got sick, and died! Hershey shouldn't make their chocolate so... chocolate-like! Come on. Once you set a precedent by paying for people doing dumb things to themselves, it can quickly become a give an inch and people want a mile thing. How do you think insurance fraud became a thing? That ends up being $150 billion a year. And people wonder why companies are heading overseas to do business elsewhere.

You know what I do with a restaurant that screws up and doesn't do a good job with their food? Boop, I don't go there. That's just how capitalism works. If I had gotten an extremely hot cup of coffee to the point where I found it unpleasant to even hold the cup and didn't like it, bam, you'd see me getting coffee elsewhere. Instead, now I get to see "caution, drink may be hot" or "edges are sharp" splattered all over the place on things like that where it should be completely obvious. Oh yes, I need a reminder not to stick my hands in the blender while it's plugged in or not to grab the working side of the chainsaw while it's running. I mean come on, it's not like the sharks in the ocean are suddenly going to be wearing "caution, I may be hungry" t-shirts or the sky suddenly warning everyone "hey, this thunder and lightning? Yeah, might zap ya. Might kill ya." This is basic self-preservation stuff people should know and yet by golly, they don't.

That's the thing that bothers me. Did McDonald's have their coffee stupidly hot? I'd say so, but to me, that's just a lousy way to prepare a common drink item and I'd probably say "hey, looks like I'm off to Dunkin Donuts or Starbucks instead." I love a good, hot cup of coffee, but I don't need it to boil, of course. Otherwise I'm sitting around for a longer time just waiting for it to cool down.

That's my thing. I respect your opinion about this case, but I still think there's a lot wrong with the outcome of things.

[Noblejanobii]

Still, you don't put coffee on your lap! Or anywhere near your crotch for that matter, especially if it's a drink that's natively known to be hot. Use a cup holder. That's why they exist in cars. Come on, that's basic. McDonald's probably didn't want to pay the medical bills because then loads of people would be doing that nonsense. Oh, I spilled ice cream on my clothes and I want McDonald's to buy me new clothes now. They shouldn't have made their sundaes so gooey and sticky! Or my dog Spot ate all my Hershey's chocolate, got sick, and died! Hershey shouldn't make their chocolate so... chocolate-like! Come on. Once you set a precedent by paying for people doing dumb things to themselves, it can quickly become a give an inch and people want a mile thing. How do you think insurance fraud became a thing? That ends up being $150 billion a year. And people wonder why companies are heading overseas to do business elsewhere.

You know what I do with a restaurant that screws up and doesn't do a good job with their food? Boop, I don't go there. That's just how capitalism works. If I had gotten an extremely hot cup of coffee to the point where I found it unpleasant to even hold the cup and didn't like it, bam, you'd see me getting coffee elsewhere. Instead, now I get to see "caution, drink may be hot" or "edges are sharp" splattered all over the place on things like that where it should be completely obvious. Oh yes, I need a reminder not to stick my hands in the blender while it's plugged in or not to grab the working side of the chainsaw while it's running. I mean come on, it's not like the sharks in the ocean are suddenly going to be wearing "caution, I may be hungry" t-shirts or the sky suddenly warning everyone "hey, this thunder and lightning? Yeah, might zap ya. Might kill ya." This is basic self-preservation stuff people should know and yet by golly, they don't.

That's the thing that bothers me. Did McDonald's have their coffee stupidly hot? I'd say so, but to me, that's just a lousy way to prepare a common drink item and I'd probably say "hey, looks like I'm off to Dunkin Donuts or Starbucks instead." I love a good, hot cup of coffee, but I don't need it to boil, of course. Otherwise I'm sitting around for a longer time just waiting for it to cool down.

That's my thing. I respect your opinion about this case, but I still think there's a lot wrong with the outcome of things.

She was a 79 year old lady, Neo! She was trying to open the lid of the cup! Trust me that's not exactly an easy task to do in a car's cup holder, moving or otherwise. It's easier to pop the lid off a cup when it's in your lap than it is when it's in a cup holder, at least for me it is, maybe not for you but it obviously was a much less difficult task for Stella to open it that way. And Neo, please be reasonable. There's a difference between a 79 year old woman getting third degree burns, going into shock, and nearly dying and my dad spilling coke on his pants yesterday. In one case, you just wash your clothes and no lawyer would actually take up a civil case for that, but in the other case, it's someone being injured by unsafe business practices of coffee being heated to about 200 degrees. 200 DEGREES. And the main reason companies go overseas is because labor is cheaper, I would know it's why my dad is gone half the year, because he has to travel to those overseas plants to make sure they're doing their jobs. Sure insurance fraud is certainly a factor but that's not the whole story and neither is your warped perspective of a case that it was obvious you knew nothing about.

Yeah your second paragraph here kinda convinces me you didn't read what I said, at all. Sure, Stella can now go to Dunkin Donuts and Starbucks for coffee, but that wasn't what she sued over. She sued over the fact that she nearly died and then McDonalds refused to help pay her medical bills. So yes, now she can participate in capitalism but only because she survived going into shock after being burned by coffee that was way too hot! Yeah, coffee is hot, you know this, I know this, Stella knew that. But if you spill coffee on yourself do you expect to go into shock and nearly die from third degree burns? I certainly don't. That is not common sense, Neo, that's called something learned from experience, either your own, or someone else's.

Okay but you missed my point. This wasn't public knowledge prior to Stella's case. No one knew that they prepped the coffee to be 200 degrees besides the workers at McDonalds. It didn't come out that they were using these unsafe business practices until after Stella's case. It's because of Stella's case that this became public knowledge. It's because of Stella's case that they had to change that. It's because of Stella's case that you can now make such snarky remarks about something she had no knowledge of because it wasn't well known to the public at the time. She didn't know her coffee was over 170 degrees until after she was in the hospital. Which I might also point out that Starbucks got dinged by this too because they did the same thing at the time this was going on. Stella was just as much at risk of this happening had she gone to Starbucks.

I don't think you really do since the counterarguments you brought up were addressed in my initial post. And while there are stupid people out there that probably would try to sue over spilling ice cream on themselves, this wasn't that type of case. Trust me I've studied those (my favorite is the urban legend about an RV case on the difference between auto pilot and cruise control). This was a case that nearly killed someone over something that she could have never known about but could have easily been prevented if corporations weren't greedy and you're just saying "oh she could have just gone somewhere else if the cup was too hot". Newsflash, all coffee cups feel hot, that's not a good way to judge how hot coffee is.

EDIT: OH AND ALSO "Liebeck was in the passenger's seat of a 1989 Ford Probe which did not have cup holders." Like I said, do your research before you make a conclusion jump.

[Neo Emolga]

She was a 79 year old lady, Neo! She was trying to open the lid of the cup! Trust me that's not exactly an easy task to do in a car's cup holder, moving or otherwise. It's easier to pop the lid off a cup when it's in your lap than it is when it's in a cup holder, at least for me it is, maybe not for you but it obviously was a much less difficult task for Stella to open it that way. And Neo, please be reasonable. There's a difference between a 79 year old woman getting third degree burns, going into shock, and nearly dying and my dad spilling coke on his pants yesterday. In one case, you just wash your clothes and no lawyer would actually take up a civil case for that, but in the other case, it's someone being injured by unsafe business practices of coffee being heated to about 200 degrees. 200 DEGREES. And the main reason companies go overseas is because labor is cheaper, I would know it's why my dad is gone half the year, because he has to travel to those overseas plants to make sure they're doing their jobs. Sure insurance fraud is certainly a factor but that's not the whole story and neither is your warped perspective of a case that it was obvious you knew nothing about.

Yeah your second paragraph here kinda convinces me you didn't read what I said, at all. Sure, Stella can now go to Dunkin Donuts and Starbucks for coffee, but that wasn't what she sued over. She sued over the fact that she nearly died and then McDonalds refused to help pay her medical bills. So yes, now she can participate in capitalism but only because she survived going into shock after being burned by coffee that was way too hot! Yeah, coffee is hot, you know this, I know this, Stella knew that. But if you spill coffee on yourself do you expect to go into shock and nearly die from third degree burns? I certainly don't. That is not common sense, Neo, that's called something learned from experience, either your own, or someone else's.

Okay but you missed my point. This wasn't public knowledge prior to Stella's case. No one knew that they prepped the coffee to be 200 degrees besides the workers at McDonalds. It didn't come out that they were using these unsafe business practices until after Stella's case. It's because of Stella's case that this became public knowledge. It's because of Stella's case that they had to change that. It's because of Stella's case that you can now make such snarky remarks about something she had no knowledge of because it wasn't well known to the public at the time. She didn't know her coffee was over 170 degrees until after she was in the hospital. Which I might also point out that Starbucks got dinged by this too because they did the same thing at the time this was going on. Stella was just as much at risk of this happening had she gone to Starbucks.

I don't think you really do since the counterarguments you brought up were addressed in my initial post. And while there are stupid people out there that probably would try to sue over spilling ice cream on themselves, this wasn't that type of case. Trust me I've studied those (my favorite is the urban legend about an RV case on the difference between auto pilot and cruise control). This was a case that nearly killed someone over something that she could have never known about but could have easily been prevented if corporations weren't greedy and you're just saying "oh she could have just gone somewhere else if the cup was too hot". Newsflash, all coffee cups feel hot, that's not a good way to judge how hot coffee is.

EDIT: OH AND ALSO "Liebeck was in the passenger's seat of a 1989 Ford Probe which did not have cup holders." Like I said, do your research before you make a conclusion jump.

Really, if your car doesn't have cup holders, don't you still think that hey, maybe it isn't a good idea for me to open this cup right above my legs? Maybe I shouldn't be drinking this in the car if I have no where to put it? Am I really going to hold this hot thing the entire car ride long? And if it feels hot, hey, maybe I should be careful with it? To me, if you didn't have cup holders in the car, holding a hot cup of coffee for the entire car ride doesn't sound like a bright idea. Especially if she's 79. She could have said to her grandson "hey, this isn't working, maybe let's go inside and drink it." Part of basic survival is recognizing when a situation has potential danger. And newsflash, that's not always something that's obvious in nature either.

And sure, cheap labor is one among many reasons that companies go overseas, but the laws and lack of restrictions are that way too. That's essentially how China gets away with polluting the heck out of the planet. Why set up a factory here where there's tight restrictions on pollution controls when you can go all out in Shanghai if you want to?

Did Stella know the coffee was 170 degrees? No, but she knew it was coffee and she knew it was hot the second her hand touched the cup. I mean heck, the grandson should have been thinking "hey, maybe this coffee's too hot for grandma to handle" also when he picked it up off the counter after paying for it. She was 79 after all. Her hands aren't as strong as they used to be. I don't think I'd give a 79 year old lady something that would be dangerous if she mishandled it. I wouldn't even feel right giving someone that old a pair of everyday scissors if I didn't think they were capable of handling them. A cup of hot coffee for a car ride with no cup holders in the hands of a 79 year old lady sounds like disaster just waiting to strike. Any bump, sudden stop, or what have you would have made a mess, and the grandson should have known this.

My whole thing is just feeling strongly about how people need to be responsible for themselves. I just feel this is way more on her and her grandson than McDonalds. And yes, I'm definitely aware there are cases where corporations should get nailed for stupid negligence, but when it comes to who was responsible for this, I would say McDonald's was maybe 10% at fault while the grandson was at 30% fault and she was 60% at fault.

And still, even if stupidly-hot coffee was a thing all across every food franchise at the time, don't have it, then. Brew your own coffee to however you want it. Heck, that's what I would do. Let them lose the business until they do it in a way that I'm good with.

[Noblejanobii]

So you're saying she shouldn't have gotten coffee at all? What was she supposed to do? WALK THERE? It's New Mexico, Neo. Have ya ever been there? I have and there's not a lot within walking distance of hotels, homes, or any other residential area.

You know what I'm just done. You're not listening to my argument at all.

[Bulbasaur]

Noble, you really need to chill.