[SU/DS] Skyrim Untold

[[Desolate Divine]]

True though while Mercer is in charge, he would call Eclipse an enemy. Everyone would believe him too if he is seen with Karliah.

[SpinelWolf]

True though while Mercer is in charge, he would call Eclipse an enemy. Everyone would believe him too if he is seen with Karliah.

And with Menora soon to be seen with Karliah too they'd start to question her loyalty. Up to that point they'd have nothing but faith in her (at least the default members that are already there cause of the game) since she's proven her worth, but when she brings Karliah into the Guild they could start to hesitate. Remember, Menora took out the Summerset Shadows so they wouldn't have a rival Guild. But at that piont as well Mercer would have already stolen everything and ran I would think, if we're going with the vanilla quests.

[XaiakuX]

Jeez, you kids talk a lot. xD

So Vorgu is a Thieves Guild Member, A secret champion of Nocturnal, or Nightingale, unless the others have been informed of Vorgu by Nocturnal. In which case, at some stage or another, Vorgu should probably meet up with the other two Nightingales. I want Vorgu placed in Riften. Assisting in the Blacksmith in his spare time, which he has occasionally. Given that his Smithing was taught by the best in Whiterun, he's an asset in that field.

I'm fine with all of the random things like dual dovahkiin. Not that my opinion of it matters at this stage, anyways. As for anyone in the Thieves Guild being associated with Vorgu, Yeah, you can know him, even have gone on some jobs with him. But I don't feel he's particularly close to anyone, bar Alea the Huntress. Who's an NPC, unless someone wants to play her. I would, but I'm terrible at RPing females. If I can picture him being associated with anyone played right now, it's both of Op's Nightingale characters, and MAYBE one of Sabi's who has ties to the Guild. Since becoming a Nightingale, Vorgu doesn't do a lot for the thieves guild, except for odd jobs for Brynolf. Which is how it will stay until Mercer dies.

I see you've really left out my character in the storyline of the Nightingales and Thieves guild. I sure would like to be involved with that chat. Especially with one of our own being one of two Dovahkiin. Though, I can understand the lack of my character's involvement in your plans, as I haven't been here, due to work, and crazy things. However I will be available for the RP itself, I assure you. So, however you see fit to include Vorgu, I will abide, or talk with you guys about how it'll all work. In my opinion, the point brought up about Eclipse's association with Karliah, since only Brynolf knows that Vorgu is a Nightingale, Vorgu could very well be a key in bringing the thieves guild to the side of the Nightingales. Vorgu is known to be quite silver-tongued, and clever in most situations that call for it. As for the Thane spot, dunno how that's working, but as the house is neighboring the blacksmith shop, it'd be a load of convenience if I could have it.

Plus, I have about 8 billion armor sets to account for. I need me some display mannequins. =P

[SpinelWolf]

Jeez, you kids talk a lot. xD

Yes, because I need a lot of information before starting this roleplay. So I initiated it. As the creator of this roleplay I want to work with everyone so they all can have a great experience. I want to meld ideas together to create a unique story with amazing characters.

So Vorgu is a Thieves Guild Member, A secret champion of Nocturnal, or Nightingale, unless the others have been informed of Vorgu by Nocturnal. In which case, at some stage or another, Vorgu should probably meet up with the other two Nightingales. I want Vorgu placed in Riften. Assisting in the Blacksmith in his spare time, which he has occasionally. Given that his Smithing was taught by the best in Whiterun, he's an asset in that field.

I would assume that even if Eclipse, Karliah, and Mercer didn't know of Vorgu becoming a Nightingale that they'd sense he is as soon as being in his presence. It will be inevitable that they find out either way. And by saying you're character is also a smith then that could either be a good or bad thing with it comes to developing a relationship with my character Menora since she is also one. They could either work together or have some sort of competition between them, even though Menora's smithing is more of a hobby and she mainly works on her own equipment or pieces for close comrades.

I'm fine with all of the random things like dual dovahkiin. Not that my opinion of it matters at this stage, anyways. As for anyone in the Thieves Guild being associated with Vorgu, Yeah, you can know him, even have gone on some jobs with him. But I don't feel he's particularly close to anyone, bar Alea the Huntress. Who's an NPC, unless someone wants to play her. I would, but I'm terrible at RPing females. If I can picture him being associated with anyone played right now, it's both of Op's Nightingale characters, and MAYBE one of Sabi's who has ties to the Guild. Since becoming a Nightingale, Vorgu doesn't do a lot for the thieves guild, except for odd jobs for Brynolf. Which is how it will stay until Mercer dies.

You opinion will always matter, remember that. I will change things around so everyone is happy, so if you do not like something bring it up and we'll have a discussion. Now I'm curious as to the relationship you're thinking of perusing with Aela if you don't mind expanding on that. If you'd rather not say then that's fine as well.

I see you've really left out my character in the storyline of the Nightingales and Thieves guild. I sure would like to be involved with that chat. Especially with one of our own being one of two Dovahkiin. Though, I can understand the lack of my character's involvement in your plans, as I haven't been here, due to work, and crazy things. However I will be available for the RP itself, I assure you. So, however you see fit to include Vorgu, I will abide, or talk with you guys about how it'll all work. In my opinion, the point brought up about Eclipse's association with Karliah, since only Brynolf knows that Vorgu is a Nightingale, Vorgu could very well be a key in bringing the thieves guild to the side of the Nightingales. Vorgu is known to be quite silver-tongued, and clever in most situations that call for it. As for the Thane spot, dunno how that's working, but as the house is neighboring the blacksmith shop, it'd be a load of convenience if I could have it.

I had no choice since you weren't active in the discussion. There are a few characters I haven't addressed because either their player hasn't said anything or said anything about that character just yet. Some things I'm not allowed to say yet since they're for future plans. As for the Thieves Guild, I just brought up an idea. I was wanting the other players to bring up their own. My ideas are not final. But there is one thing about what you said I have to put my foot down on. Brynjolf is not allowed to know about the Nightingales. To him they're just a myth, a story told in the Guild. I'm keeping that cannon. He won't know until he becomes one himself. I am open to change things from the game, but some things must stay canon and that is one thing I will not budge on. As for the house, you're allowed to live wherever you want since you're the only Thane of the Rift. I gave the title up. My character who lives in Riften stays at either the Blacksmith's since she grew up there or with the Guild.

[Grsspkmnmaster]

I was also thinking it might be interesting for the story because they are both members of the thieves guild so Katherine would be turning on her own Faction member (And look at how many thieves guild characters we have to get angry at that)

Plus more controversy potentially trying to convince non-guild members (PC's or NPC's) to take a side, since the Dragonborn is a greater asset to the whole world, but petty squabbles can always get in the way.

[XaiakuX]

I would assume that even if Eclipse, Karliah, and Mercer didn't know of Vorgu becoming a Nightingale that they'd sense he is as soon as being in his presence. It will be inevitable that they find out either way. And by saying you're character is also a smith then that could either be a good or bad thing with it comes to developing a relationship with my character Menora since she is also one. They could either work together or have some sort of competition between them, even though Menora's smithing is more of a hobby and she mainly works on her own equipment or pieces for close comrades.

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Well, His work in the blacksmith shop is only part-time, as is his thieves guild activity. Recalling that he wants to go out and travel. Then possibly return to take over as Jarl. These are just ideas that I've had going in. As you've said, ideas tend to change. Right now I have to ask, who is the Jarl from the start? Is it Maven or Laila? Also, I was always under the impression that the greatest of Blacksmiths was Eorlund Gray-Mane. That's why I chose to train Vorgu under him. So your character could either stand to learn something from Vorgu (if he knows more than Menora, because his smithing skill for me takes a bit of precedence over all things. So if there was a level 100 skill he had, it'd be smithing), and become friendly with him. Or you can see him as a rival, and constantly challenge your character to be better than him.

You opinion will always matter, remember that. I will change things around so everyone is happy, so if you do not like something bring it up and we'll have a discussion. Now I'm curious as to the relationship you're thinking of pursuing with Aela if you don't mind expanding on that. If you'd rather not say then that's fine as well.

I honestly haven't decided. I mean if anyone would actually take on the role of Aela, I wouldn't mind pursuing some sort of romantic thing, but if she were to stay NPC, I would most likely stick to shield brother as a whole. Also, I don't know how I feel about the two Dovahkiin being in the thieves guild, or associate with each other. Because I just feel like a better story or twist would come of two very different people becoming the Dovahkiin. Like, a warrior type and a thief type. Or a mage. You know? Two different people, lifestyles, and beliefs both sharing a common destiny to kill giant winged lizards and save Skyrim.

I had no choice since you weren't active in the discussion. There are a few characters I haven't addressed because either their player hasn't said anything or said anything about that character just yet. Some things I'm not allowed to say yet since they're for future plans. As for the Thieves Guild, I just brought up an idea. I was wanting the other players to bring up their own. My ideas are not final. But there is one thing about what you said I have to put my foot down on. Brynjolf is not allowed to know about the Nightingales. To him they're just a myth, a story told in the Guild. I'm keeping that cannon. He won't know until he becomes one himself. I am open to change things from the game, but some things must stay canon and that is one thing I will not budge on. As for the house, you're allowed to live wherever you want since you're the only Thane of the Rift. I gave the title up. My character who lives in Riften stays at either the Blacksmith's since she grew up there or with the Guild.

And so Brynolf won't know about Vorgu being a Nightingale. Also in that sense, Vorgu will conceal his identity around Mercer as best he can, or just avoid Mercer entirely. I pointed out that Nocturnal may have pointed out to the other Nightingales that Vorgu is a Nightingale, because she can do that. I guess that Vorgu can be made to seek out Eclipse and Karliah. Or encounter them when he leaves on his travels.

[Saraibre Ryu]

In the case of Smithing, if you can get Charoa in a conversation about it, you'll find out she makes all of her own armor and shields. Yes she doesn't wear a lot of armor because she's a mage but you can blame that on her current lack of motivation. However the dragonscale shield she has should spark conversation... never mind the common one she gets of 'what kind of mage does smithing?'

I sense Smith Wars in the future...

[Grsspkmnmaster]

Since we're on the topic:

Azahb's skills are all rounded out because he's often on the road. His solutions tend to lean towards practicality, rather than a complete repair of the situation. He's not the best at anything he does, but it's more than enough to keep him alive, and considerably better than people who haven't tried the task before.

On the other hand, his Speech is very high, life as a wanderer and a bard only works well if you can be convincing or charming enough.

[SpinelWolf]

Right now I have to ask, who is the Jarl from the start? Is it Maven or Laila? Also, I was always under the impression that the greatest of Blacksmiths was Eorlund Gray-Mane. That's why I chose to train Vorgu under him. So your character could either stand to learn something from Vorgu (if he knows more than Menora, because his smithing skill for me takes a bit of precedence over all things. So if there was a level 100 skill he had, it'd be smithing), and become friendly with him. Or you can see him as a rival, and constantly challenge your character to be better than him.

Unless anyone needs something changed it'll be as it's in the game before the Civil war quests take place, so the current Jarl of Riften is Laila. Eorlund Gray-Mane is the best smith still, no need to worried about that. I'll probably have it that my character could learn a few things from Vorgu since she's normally a friendly person. We'll just have to see how the roleplay plays out I guess.

I don't know how I feel about the two Dovahkiin being in the thieves guild, or associate with each other. Because I just feel like a better story or twist would come of two very different people becoming the Dovahkiin. Like, a warrior type and a thief type. Or a mage. You know? Two different people, lifestyles, and beliefs both sharing a common destiny to kill giant winged lizards and save Skyrim.

I would agree about the Dovahkiin, but everyone who signed up for that role also had their character in the Thieves Guild. So no matter what the Dragonborn was going to come from the Guild. That's just how it happened.

[[Desolate Divine]]

So anything else we need to sort out before the RP starts? Because I am getting excited!