The great Sinnoh Dex debate

[[Desolate Divine]]

Woke up and saw a lot of things that need to be mentioned or corrected.
@AWA1997

For instance, the example with Shinx: after the first few routes, it is no longer available without backtracking, so it becomes eligible for being a random reward. However, if that is not a viable solution, I agree with the removal of said rule.

On paper that could work. Once a Pokemon becomes no longer available in the wild we add it to the list of Pokemon that is available by events HOWEVER, I would not recommend it. That solution, like most solutions offered by Rival Max, are roundabout fixes that will require more work by the two of us, to achieve a similar result to removing the rule. Basically this and the aforementioned solutions are solutions that benefit the rule, not the game.
@Rival Max

I see you saw the location guide

No, he just read my earlier posts, which make me question whether you did...

Jacobs example goes off the guide. Random pokemon given as eggs does not solve the issue.

This debate is not just about random eggs and you know it. It is about Pokemon that can be received for birthdays (and before you try to point out that these pokemon are available for birthdays, I am well aware of it), half birthdays, story and drawing contests and anything and all in between. So please don't feed inaccurate information to new players in order to sway their opinion. Players will not be getting another chance to catch a Pokemon they missed, purely based on an RNG under my proposal. It also means that I don't want them excluded from RNG such as these eggs, but this is about more than that and you know it.

We also have two other ways. Jacob has a writing submission...

A writing submission which would actually do a great job in helping players catch old Pokemon if it weren't restricted by this rule. Don't use my idea, which you are crippling with this rule, to back up your case.

There are plenty of options here that dont involve changes a working system.

If you have read my last two posts you would understand this isn't a working system. We have rules in place preventing players from doing what THEY want, in the name of keeping the fairness of a goal which firstly, doesn't can't even have an element of unfairness to players as it provides no advantages or disadvantages, as well as is not viable due to the sheer volume and cost. In five years of Hoenn, I received roughly 800 points alone for posting. That by my guess would be not even 10% of what would be needed to complete the Sinnoh Regional Dex.
@Brettles

Two different GMs with different priorities for what is allowed into their games does not make for one good game and one bad game. It makes for two different but, potentially, equally enjoyable games.

Brettles has hit the nail right on the head, and provided the wisdom I have come to rely on from him. I am not asking you, Max, to change all GCEAs, from now and forever, to follow this rule. You're about to open the sequel to blizzard blue and I doubt that will be the last GCEA you GM. I am asking that for Platinum, the one that you said yourself that I have done a great job to get running and to manage, I be allowed to make decisions about rules like this that I think have a negative effect on the players. I think that after six years of helping you run hoenn, and the fact that Platinum would still be a pipe dream if not for me, and that I am running it because you said yourself you don't have time to, I should have earned the respect and the right to be able to make this decision.

What Brettles is basically saying here, which is what I was trying to say at the beginning before this escalated into this debate, is you do you, I'll do me. Two different GMs with different priorities, running to slightly different games, both of which are enjoyable in their own way. That is a better solution to changing GCEA around this rule, creating more ongoing work for us, just for the sake of keeping this rule. It is not worth it.

[Rival Max]

Woke up and saw a lot of things that need to be mentioned or corrected.
@AWA1997

On paper that could work. Once a Pokemon becomes no longer available in the wild we add it to the list of Pokemon that is available by events HOWEVER, I would not recommend it. That solution, like most solutions offered by Rival Max, are roundabout fixes that will require more work by the two of us, to achieve a similar result to removing the rule. Basically this and the aforementioned solutions are solutions that benefit the rule, not the game.
@Rival Max

No, he just read my earlier posts, which make me question whether you did...


This debate is not just about random eggs and you know it. It is about Pokemon that can be received for birthdays (and before you try to point out that these pokemon are available for birthdays, I am well aware of it), half birthdays, story and drawing contests and anything and all in between. So please don't feed inaccurate information to new players in order to sway their opinion. Players will not be getting another chance to catch a Pokemon they missed, purely based on an RNG under my proposal. It also means that I don't want them excluded from RNG such as these eggs, but this is about more than that and you know it.


A writing submission which would actually do a great job in helping players catch old Pokemon if it weren't restricted by this rule. Don't use my idea, which you are crippling with this rule, to back up your case.



If you have read my last two posts you would understand this isn't a working system. We have rules in place preventing players from doing what THEY want, in the name of keeping the fairness of a goal which firstly, doesn't can't even have an element of unfairness to players as it provides no advantages or disadvantages, as well as is not viable due to the sheer volume and cost. In five years of Hoenn, I received roughly 800 points alone for posting. That by my guess would be not even 10% of what would be needed to complete the Sinnoh Regional Dex.
@Brettles

Brettles has hit the nail right on the head, and provided the wisdom I have come to rely on from him. I am not asking you, Max, to change all GCEAs, from now and forever, to follow this rule. You're about to open the sequel to blizzard blue and I doubt that will be the last GCEA you GM. I am asking that for Platinum, the one that you said yourself that I have done a great job to get running and to manage, I be allowed to make decisions about rules like this that I think have a negative effect on the players. I think that after six years of helping you run hoenn, and the fact that Platinum would still be a pipe dream if not for me, and that I am running it because you said yourself you don't have time to, I should have earned the respect and the right to be able to make this decision.

What Brettles is basically saying here, which is what I was trying to say at the beginning before this escalated into this debate, is you do you, I'll do me. Two different GMs with different priorities, running to slightly different games, both of which are enjoyable in their own way. That is a better solution to changing GCEA around this rule, creating more ongoing work for us, just for the sake of keeping this rule. It is not worth it.

I understand what he is saying but the sentiment doesnt apply to this as its not a series of individual rps. The analogy works great for separate rps. GCEA is not separate role plays. There are core rules that drive this game. Im not sure how to say that in a way that you understand.

Also its a bit of exaggeration to say not allowing dex pokemon to appear as random gifts is crippling to creative freedom. Ive never had trouble coming up with ideas with that base rule.

If you have a suggestion for fixing the system and maintaining its integrity. I have read all the comments and all of them have solutions within the story. If I need to create a more structured rule list I will do that so that this kind or misunderstanding does not happen again.

[Noblejanobii]

I understand what he is saying but the sentiment doesnt apply to this as its not a series of individual rps. The analogy works great for separate rps. GCEA is not separate role plays. There are core rules that drive this game. Im not sure how to say that in a way that you understand.

Also its a bit of exaggeration to say not allowing dex pokemon to appear as random gifts is crippling to creative freedom. Ive never had trouble coming up with ideas with that base rule.

If you have a suggestion for fixing the system and maintaining its integrity. I have read all the comments and all of them have solutions within the story. If I need to create a more structured rule list I will do that so that this kind or misunderstanding does not happen again.

Why can't it apply? It is a series of separate roleplays. Platinum version would be a perfect test run for this kind of thing since it literally takes place in an entirely separate universe from the Kanto and Hoenn series. This allows for a reason why certain rules can be bent or changed. And again, you gave Jacob creative freedom to run this how he wanted. I get you're the owner but if you want GCEA to potentially improve you should allow him to test run this and like the others said you don't even have to include this in Decimation Blue if you don't want to. This change can solely apply to Platinum.

No comment on my suggestions huh? Cool cool. I thought my suggestions did pretty well in kind of maintaining the integrity of the system and patching it up a bit to be more manageable for all parties involved without greatly altering it but seeing as you've completely ignored my entire post I guess you disagree.