The President

**Noblejanobii** · 02-08-2017, 11:01 PM

@Rival Max To be fair, President Obama is a democrat and had a vastly different platform than trump does. Trump is at least doing what he promised, even if most of us don't actually support it. Obama, if I recall (I was only 10 at the time so forgive my flukes in memory) correctly, did not move on a lot of what his platform stood for until much later, if at all.

**Rival Max** · 02-08-2017, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Noblejanobii

@Rival Max To be fair, President Obama is a democrat and had a vastly different platform than trump does. Trump is at least doing what he promised, even if most of us don't actually support it. Obama, if I recall (I was only 10 at the time so forgive my flukes in memory) correctly, did not move on a lot of what his platform stood for until much later, if at all.

The major difference is that from the day Obama took office the House and Senate worked at shutting down every single item he purposed. They made it public knowledge that they weren't going to work with him. Trump on the other hand seems to have free reign of doing what he wants. That's why all of this is scary to anyone who didnt support him.

**Noblejanobii** · 02-08-2017, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by Rival Max

The major difference is that from the day Obama took office the House and Senate worked at shutting down every single item he purposed. They made it public knowledge that they weren't going to work with him. Trump on the other hand seems to have free reign of doing what he wants. That's why all of this is scary to anyone who didnt support him.

I mean that's what the judicial system is for.

**Rival Max** · 02-09-2017, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Noblejanobii

I mean that's what the judicial system is for.

The judicial system is only one system of government. It not a complete safeguard for the country. Its also not fair at all to compare Obamas presidency to Trumps with acknowledging that he was given zero room to move without fighting tooth and nail. Though I am baised I liked Obama. I voted for him twice and his second term was great to me.

Trump on the other hand, is geting stuff done but its the most extreme things he listed. One thing he did promise to fight against he has completely turned away from. He not only filled the swamp he created an even bigger one by appointing ceos of major banking companies to help run the country. That was one of his biggest points and now he works firmly for the people that he said Hillary did. He also had the opportunity to help the american people by brining down the costs of pharmaceutical. He didnt even negotiate prices to be lowered. The US pays more for drugs than almost any other place on the planet.

**Noblejanobii** · 02-09-2017, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Rival Max

The judicial system is only one system of government. It not a complete safeguard for the country. Its also not fair at all to compare Obamas presidency to Trumps with acknowledging that he was given zero room to move without fighting tooth and nail. Though I am baised I liked Obama. I voted for him twice and his second term was great to me.

Trump on the other hand, is geting stuff done but its the most extreme things he listed. One thing he did promise to fight against he has completely turned away from. He not only filled the swamp he created an even bigger one by appointing ceos of major banking companies to help run the country. That was one of his biggest points and now he works firmly for the people that he said Hillary did. He also had the opportunity to help the american people by brining down the costs of pharmaceutical. He didnt even negotiate prices to be lowered. The US pays more for drugs than almost any other place on the planet.

Yes, it is one system of government, but that's what checks and balances are for. The legislative branch can't do anything against executive orders but the justice department has already shown they are more than capable of fighting against it so I think it'll be just fine. And I compare him to Obama because that's the only president I can remember. I was 10 when he got elected so I wasn't exactly concerned with the Bush Administration prior to that. I'm just using him as a good comparison point because Obama is the only one I can remember. Cut me some slack, Max, I'm only 18 after all.

This is true and I recognize this is a valid point. I'm just saying he's getting stuff done. I'm not trying to discredit Obama in any way, I'm just saying it's possible Trump could turn out all right because I distinctly remember my teachers and parents complaining about Obama when he first got into office and for the most part that changed by the time he left. That's all.

**Wookie Mistake** · 02-09-2017, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by Rival Max

The judicial system is only one system of government. It not a complete safeguard for the country. Its also not fair at all to compare Obamas presidency to Trumps with acknowledging that he was given zero room to move without fighting tooth and nail. Though I am baised I liked Obama. I voted for him twice and his second term was great to me.

Trump on the other hand, is geting stuff done but its the most extreme things he listed. One thing he did promise to fight against he has completely turned away from. He not only filled the swamp he created an even bigger one by appointing ceos of major banking companies to help run the country. That was one of his biggest points and now he works firmly for the people that he said Hillary did. He also had the opportunity to help the american people by brining down the costs of pharmaceutical. He didnt even negotiate prices to be lowered. The US pays more for drugs than almost any other place on the planet.

Obama had majority in both houses his first two years of presidency, just like Trump does now, I'm not saying he didn't have a difficult time, but it was the same complaint by the right back in '08 that Obama would be able to do anything he wanted as it is now by the left

**Wookie Mistake** · 02-08-2017, 11:21 PM

@Noblejanobii, that's pretty much my remembrance of things, as his presidency got further along it seemed that he was more concerned about his legacy than he was about helping the nation. His ACA ended up being the only part of his platform that he followed through with and he spent the last few months of his presidency doing everything he can to prevent Trump from dismantling it. I do remember his promise to fix the VA. I've got a few friends in the military who supported him because they thought he would follow through. I'm a bit foggy on this but IIRC he later claimed he never made such promises.

To be fair it's entirely possible that he was stonewalled on a lot of the things he wanted to actually do.

**Noblejanobii** · 02-08-2017, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by Wookie Mistake

@Noblejanobii, that's pretty much my remembrance of things, as his presidency got further along it seemed that he was more concerned about his legacy than he was about helping the nation. His ACA ended up being the only part of his platform that he followed through with and he spent the last few months of his presidency doing everything he can to prevent Trump from dismantling it. I do remember his promise to fix the VA. I've got a few friends in the military who supported him because they thought he would follow through. I'm a bit foggy on this but IIRC he later claimed he never made such promises.

To be fair it's entirely possible that he was stonewalled on a lot of the things he wanted to actually do.

Oh yeah I totally understand it's possible all his efforts were stopped. But at the same time I think that it's important to note he's at least doing something.

**Corey** · 02-09-2017, 03:37 AM

I couldn't be less satisfied with the state of America's political system these days. Trump is an utterly racist, sexist, vile narcissist who seeks only to divide and profit. Trump's nominations are frankly terrifying - the recent confirmations of Betsy DeVos and Jeff Sessions is a sad blow to America's children and people of color. And Mike Pence as Vice President only makes things 1,000x more scary. I feel as if things can only get worse. I fear for women, people of color, Muslims, the LGBT+ community, the poor, and countless other minorities, as well as science, education, and the judicial system...This administration is extremely unqualified. I mean, not only does Trump have no political experience, but neither do many of his nominations. Oh, and not to mention that the administration calls any news portraying the administration in a negative light "fake news." OHH, and how Kellyanne Conway, Counselor to the President, literally fabricated a massacre on live television.

**Rival Max** · 02-09-2017, 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by Corey

I couldn't be less satisfied with the state of America's political system these days. Trump is an utterly racist, sexist, vile narcissist who seeks only to divide and profit. Trump's nominations are frankly terrifying - the recent confirmations of Betsy DeVos and Jeff Sessions is a sad blow to America's children and people of color. And Mike Pence as Vice President only makes things 1,000x more scary. I feel as if things can only get worse. I fear for women, people of color, Muslims, the LGBT+ community, the poor, and countless other minorities, as well as science, education, and the judicial system...This administration is extremely unqualified. I mean, not only does Trump have no political experience, but neither do many of his nominations. Oh, and not to mention that the administration calls any news portraying the administration in a negative light is "fake news." Oh, and how Kellyanne Conway, Counselor to the President, literally fabricated a massacre on live television.

As an educator Betsy DeVos's confirmation feels like the biggest blow to education in the last 100 years.