pulse shooting in orlando, FL

[5TailedDemonLizard]

And y'all seem to have been ignoring what I will be stating for the third time, I'm okay with gun regulation. Quit acting like I'm not because I have said that now three times. I just don't want that regulation to get out of hand. Probably the best example for this I can give is that during a simulation of the statehouse that the state does every year, this year the sheer amount of bills on the Confederate flag and gun laws were astounding, but not unexpected given that one of the people who died in the Charleston shooting was a member of the state congress. We ended up voting most of the gun laws down because we felt they breached the second amendment in one way or another, but someone brought up a very good point the counter the common argument of "it'll prevent things like charleston from happening." He said that we shouldn't restrict people from getting access to guns, we need to make the process of obtaining one more difficult. As I stated before, it's relatively easy to obtain a gun since there's only one permit required (permit to carry a handgun) and as long as you meet the four qualifications you're free to buy as many as you would like. So nearly everyone in my state owns a gun, that's just something we deal with. Now look at the voting process. In my state, it's not difficult to get a voting license, but it can be depending on where you go to get one, especially with the new photo ID laws and stuff. It's becoming extremely difficult to get a voting license, so less and less people are going out to vote in my state. So, imagine for a second, if gun laws worked like that. Imagine if we made the process so hard that it would deter people from getting guns. Sure, there'd be riots all over the place in my state because almost everyone here owns a firearm, but still, it would decrease how many people own and use a gun, making it less accessible to people, like the Charleston shooter, to screw things up for the rest of us.



It's also worth noting that in my school, not the school district, not the county, not the state, not the country, my school, hearing about break ins and rapes is not an uncommon thing at all. I'm not "seriously overestimating crime" when I hear from teachers, students, and parents about how so and so was raped the other week or so and so's house was broken into. Heck, we had at least one student die a year at my school due to break ins. This was not an uncommon thing and it was terrifying for everyone because you never knew if you were going to be the next one to bite the dust. So, no, this isn't due to repeated exposure to the media, this is due to the repeated witnessing of the effects of what break ins have done to these people.

I originally made my statement about regulation because of your former post about wanting a gun but having it be outlawed in some sort of alternate universe. I wasn't trying to ignore what you said, but take context from the post as I saw it. I apologize if that's what it looked like.

I want getting a gun to be difficult for people l, like the example you gave about the voting licence.

My biggest problem right now is the backlash that any talk of gun regulation gets almost immediately. Just a few hours ago I was called uneducated and weak when I spoke up about the lack of regulations on firearms.

I don't want to fear for my life because of my sexuality, my gender, etc. because a shooter who was told "no" by a woman decided to get revenge and had easy access to a gun.

[HKim]

I think the real issue here is terrorism more than anything.

The shooter clearly was influenced by ISIS and the organization's beliefs and goals. Whether or not he was formally associated remains to be seen, but a connection does exist.

It seems to me that the United States (and the rest of the world) needs to do a better job at locating potential threats and preventing them. There were warning signs prior to the shooting that were dismissed, but it might have been wise for the federal agencies to have continued to monitor the shooter for any unusual activity. Perhaps our current system isn't as up to the task as we hoped.

Of course, this would be less of a problem if we eliminated terrorist strongholds in the Middle East. These groups publicly advocate for these kinds of attacks and certainly influence people around the world. The attacks they carry out inspire others. For several years we've ignored these situations, not wanting to get involved, but I think that only exacerbates the issue. The world is much smaller now and what happens around the world will affect home. We should have invaded ISIS territory with a UN coalition and eliminated the problem. Yes there might be issues afterwards and a cost to be paid, but isn't that better than the loss of life we experience at home due to terrorism? Sometimes I think we forget why we have a military.

[Noblejanobii]

I originally made my statement about regulation because of your former post about wanting a gun but having it be outlawed in some sort of alternate universe. I wasn't trying to ignore what you said, but take context from the post as I saw it. I apologize if that's what it looked like.

I want getting a gun to be difficult for people l, like the example you gave about the voting licence.

My biggest problem right now is the backlash that any talk of gun regulation gets almost immediately. Just a few hours ago I was called uneducated and weak when I spoke up about the lack of regulations on firearms.

I don't want to fear for my life because of my sexuality, my gender, etc. because a shooter who was told "no" by a woman decided to get revenge and had easy access to a gun.

No no, I understand and I apologize if I seem hostile. I don't mean to sound that way, I'm just trying to show you what the other side thinks.

I don't want you to feel unsafe and I know you do because of this recent shooting. Very similarly, any time gun regulation is brought up where I live, it gets large amounts of backlash. I don't know how to solve that given how corrupt the current political system is in the USA. All I can say is, we need to find compromise, and seeing as we both agree the regulations that make it more difficult to obtain a gun would be very helpful.

[Chakramaster]

I tried avoiding this thread for this reason. Somehow when things like this happen things tend to flow towards the medium where things get heated about "gun control, beliefs, race, or politics." So I try to avoid it. This case, I believe I need to add my two cents after what I've been reading here.

What happened was truly a tragedy. The way things are, personally, I don't believe any form of "gun control" here would've helped. It goes along with people thinking if you make a place a "gun free zone" people will just turn away saying "oh no guns allowed here, guess I can't shoot this place up" (sorry to put that bluntly, but that's what some people DO believe and it's crazy). There is a lot of ways people think today which makes it their thoughts vs. yours. Not caring what others think other than their own. It's one thing that's making everything blow up beyond the proportions they need to be.

There does need to be some kind of gun regulation, but people need to understand. Guns already out there will NOT just be taken back. People like Hilary Clinton seem to think they can just do that.

As to the matter when it comes to the Constitution, people really need to be careful. it's not some "old outdated piece of paper." It's literally something that defined America and helped build it from that time and today even. Sure, things may have changed over time, but it's gonna take more than just one person to make any said changes EVER to something as defining in the American history as the Constitution. "The right to bear arms" is something that every US citizen has the right to. Now, it seems every chance someone goes public world wide because of some shooting they plead "mental illness" or "self-defense." I might be speaking out of my mind here when I say I hear that way too much now. That's the only reason you would honestly need a gun. To protect yourself or others from harm from crazies that seem to take matters into their own hands if they don't like someone or a certain group of people. It's disgusting that someone can think such a way and kill just for the fun of it even. Such evil people DO exist in this world, yet some people would rather complain about the gun rather than the person or bring hate into it. Speaking of hate...

I think the real issue here is terrorism more than anything.

The shooter clearly was influenced by ISIS and the organization's beliefs and goals. Whether or not he was formally associated remains to be seen, but a connection does exist.

It seems to me that the United States (and the rest of the world) needs to do a better job at locating potential threats and preventing them. There were warning signs prior to the shooting that were dismissed, but it might have been wise for the federal agencies to have continued to monitor the shooter for any unusual activity. Perhaps our current system isn't as up to the task as we hoped.

Of course, this would be less of a problem if we eliminated terrorist strongholds in the Middle East. These groups publicly advocate for these kinds of attacks and certainly influence people around the world. The attacks they carry out inspire others. For several years we've ignored these situations, not wanting to get involved, but I think that only exacerbates the issue. The world is much smaller now and what happens around the world will affect home. We should have invaded ISIS territory with a UN coalition and eliminated the problem. Yes there might be issues afterwards and a cost to be paid, but isn't that better than the loss of life we experience at home due to terrorism? Sometimes I think we forget why we have a military.

That's pretty much what I believe after hearing about it over these past few days. Islamic Extremist Terrorist was exactly what I think the matter is. No matter what his "father" said about him or the incident. The guy had ties to ISIS and followed it's belief as they hate gays and think they should all die. Even if he wasn't a part of the group itself, he follows the same beliefs, which is just as bad as being a part of the group. It shows he most likely would be part of ISIS if given the chance.

It's honestly sad to see how little is being done about the situation on the terrorist threats around the world that it's actually scary to think about. How one vs. the world is slowly taking over day by day and we see more of this happening. People around the world getting hurt or losing their life because of terrorism or hate just because of ones beliefs.

it's true it would be a lesser problem, yet most parts of the world are all talk and no show. Heck, some people in this country won't even acknowledge the true threat of "Islamic Extremist Terrorist." It's sad to see that too because that's exactly what they are. Sure not all muslims are part of the issue. I think it was Neo that was saying it too. Just as not all Christians are evil or have evil intentions either. Even if there's a 0.000000001% person that has that evil, suddenly everyone in that group is looked at like they are the scum of the earth. Even if the threat is neutralized right now, yeah, there will be more threats to come from it later. We will just have to face it when the time comes. Thing is, if we as people of the world don't unite to take out a common enemy, things may yet get even worse as they already have started to show. From here on, it's still only going to get worse until the problem is resolved and actually taken seriously. I'm serious, if a war were to start as it is, people wouldn't know how to act. So many people would rather play the blame game and worry behind their computer screen or phones nowadays than take action if it came to their doorstep. That's where the brave people of our military are what we need to be thankful for. If not for them, we would all not be where we are today.

[Rival Max]

There is an underline problem with the usa. We need to learn to let people live there lives. The kind of hate some feel towards groups of people is scary. And this is a gun issue. We do not live in a war ridden country NO ONE needs a gun that can kill 49 people.

[Noblejanobii]

And this is a gun issue. We do not live in a war ridden country NO ONE needs a gun that can kill 49 people.

Mm… hate to break it to you Max but any gun can kill 49 people so…

[Chakramaster]

And this is a gun issue. We do not live in a war ridden country NO ONE needs a gun that can kill 49 people.

Mm… hate to break it to you Max but any gun can kill 49 people so…

it is true. Any gun has the potential to kill 49 people. Heck, more than 49 people at that. Even if something were done to make these said "guns" disappear. What about the ones already out there? People that are bent on doing this aren't gonna let some "law" or "ban" stop them from acquiring what they want in order to DO exactly what they want. Black markets exist and people sell these things or people find their own way to get what they want to do whatever they want.

[Rival Max]

How do you all image a regular gun would do that? An automatic weapon is made for war. At some point a hand gun has to be reloaded. This is not even including the raw power of the weapon being used. Sure any gun could kill 49 people however if that man walked into that club with just a hand gun i doubt anywhere near 49 lives would have been lost.

@chak your response is basically saying why bother. Yes there are alot of guns out there and how to fix that is for much smarter men then myself. However i can say making laws that ban these heavy duty weapons gets some of them off the street. There is no reason a person in this country needs a weapon of that size.

[Noblejanobii]

How do you all image a regular gun would do that? An automatic weapon is made for war. At some point a hand gun has to be reloaded. This is not even including the raw power of the weapon being used. Sure any gun could kill 49 people however if that man walked into that club with just a hand gun i doubt anywhere near 49 lives would have been lost.

You obviously aren't aware the man didn't just carry in an AR, he also had and used a glock. So he did walk in there with a hand gun and it wasn't just one gun that killed 49, it was two. Therefore, the potential still stands.

[Pokemon Trainer Sarah]

You can blame what happened on terrorism, on intolerance for other sexualities, or ISIS or whatever. They are huge issues and they all contributed. But the whole world has those same problems. In the Western world, it's only in the US that mass shootings happen again and again and again. It's a gun control issue and as long as people want to fight for their right to have guns and blame the problem on everything else under the sun, it will just keep happening over and over. If the mass shooting of children didn't change the way the lawmakers view things, nothing will, especially not shooting up a gay nightclub.

To an outsider like me, the whole gun thing seems ridiculous. Seeing anyone with a gun in public (which means a police officer, here), makes me uneasy just because I don't like the idea that they can take my life in a split second if they decide to, from far away, for no reason or for any reason they want. I would never ever feel safe knowing that civilians could carry weapons around. You lock your doors at night because you don't trust your neighbour not to rob you. So why would you trust them with a weapon that can take your life in an instant without you even knowing they were there? Think of all the complete imbeciles you know. Think of all the jerks and horrible people. Are you glad they can own guns? I would gladly give up my gun if it meant no one else had one. I can't even begin to understand it, but I do understand it's a part of US culture that some people feel strongly about, and therefore not something likely to change. :(

And yes I realise black market etc., if people really want one they will get one etc., and that it all seems impossible to change how things are. But other countries have managed it. And countries with strict gun control have way less issues so it must work enough to be worthwhile, even if it only stops half the shootings. It won't happen though, because the pro-gun people pay politicians to prevent it.

And yeah on the actual issue, it's pretty bad that a guy who was on the FBI watch list for a time was able to get a job as a security guard AND access to weapons. Like the least they could do is not allow people suspected of sympathising with terrorists access to a gun FOR HIS JOB! ~_~